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Hillary and Obama on Trade

February 22nd, 2008 · 3 Comments

While the choices for President slim down to next to none, one might evaluate positions instead of joining the various cheer leading camps. Who, overall has the best trade, economic positions to stop this global train wreck?

Firstly any group name calling someone protectionist because they acknowledge the obviously massive ~5.6% GDP trade deficit, is obviously not basing their economics on anything remotely resembling reality. The reason I link to this Pro Obama group is because they want more bad trade agreements. They assessed Obama as more of a corporate free trader than Hillary. Below are some statements from the two for easy comparison contrast.

Train Wreck

Obama

  • Fight for Fair Trade: Obama will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs. He will use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world and stand firm against agreements like the Central American Free Trade Agreement that fail to live up to those important benchmarks. Obama will also pressure the World Trade Organization to enforce trade agreements and stop countries from continuing unfair government subsidies to foreign exporters and non tariff barriers on U.S. exports.
  • Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.
  • Improve Transition Assistance: To help all workers adapt to a rapidly changing economy, Obama would update the existing system of Trade Adjustment Assistance by extending it to service industries, creating flexible education accounts to help workers retrain, and
    providing retraining assistance for workers in sectors of the economy vulnerable to dislocation before they lose their jobs.

Hillary

  • I will oppose the pending trade agreements with South Korea, Colombia, and Panama
  • Ensure that trade policies work for average Americans. Trade policy must raise our standard of living, and they must have strong protections for workers and the environment
  • I will appoint a trade enforcement officer and double the enforcement staff at the office of the United States Trade Representative
  • I will also systematically review every trade agreement to ensure that it is delivering benefits to American workers
  • I will also expand the Trade Adjustment Assistance program so that workers negatively affected by the global economy get the help they need.
  • In my first months in office, I will take a time out from new trade deals to assess their impact before going forward
  • Reevaluate free trade deals every five years to ensure that they are still meeting our national and agricultural interests
    Another excellent resource is this Iowa questionnaire, from a fair trade action group. This grid has the most detailed questions I’ve found to date. Unfortunately neither candidate spells out enough details on their websites.
    Clinton Statement

    I support pro-America trade. When trade agreements are negotiated without real concern for workers, or when the agreements are not properly enforced, it hurts American families. I believe trade must work for middle-class Americans. Out trade deficit is at unacceptable levels. As President, I will reinvigorate America’s manufacturing base, and ensure that foreign countries do not manipulate their currencies to disadvantage American goods.

    The world is changing rapidly, and old assumptions about trade must be reexamined. As President, I will not enter into new trade agreements, or seek trade promotion authority, until my administration has done two things: reviewed all of our existing agreements to determine whether they are benefiting our economy and our workers; and crafted a comprehensive, Pro America trade policy that will strengthen our country in the 21st Century

    Obama statement

    We can’t stop globalization in its tracks
    ..
    We need to make sure that the rule governing trade are fair and that we’re investing in our workers so that they remain the most competitive in the world

    I will work to expand our trade agenda beyond lowering tariffs and protecting our commercial interests.

    Obama’s statement is quite long mentioning certain details, but I could not locate any overall policy statement to reconsider all trade agreements, especially the China PNTR agreement or overall policy. Obama does have many more statements seemingly in support of more trade agreements and only mentions environmental and worker standards and worker retraining. Like Hillary, Obama talks about removing tax incentives to offshore outsource American jobs and also like Hillary to address China’s currency manipulation (pegging the Yuan to the dollar artifically low).

    Here is an in depth Economist article on their trade positions and notes Dick Gephardt, a well known opponent of NAFTA and other bad trade agreements is an adviser in the Hillary campaign. In the Senate, Obama lobbied for the Peru free trade agreement. Clinton also voted for the Peru trade agreement and both opposed the CAFTA-DR agreement.

    While both have flaws it appears Clinton is the best bet for a complete revamp of the United States trade agreements, but with a lot of public support.

    On further investigation I discovered Hillary, along with Senator Byron Dorgan introduced Foreign Debt Ceiling Act of 2005. This is significant, a major policy adjustment and thus Hillary must be serious about changing trade policy for this is from 2005 before she was running.

    Foreign Debt Ceiling Act of 2005 - Requires the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR), every three months, to determine if: (1) the net U.S. foreign debt for the preceding 12-month period is more than 25 percent of the U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) for the same period; or (2) the U.S. trade deficit for such period is more than five percent of the GDP for the same period. Requires the USTR, whenever an affirmative determination is made, to: (1) convene an emergency meeting of the Trade Policy Review Group to develop a plan of action to reduce the U.S. trade deficit; and (2) report to Congress on the details of the plan.

    note I ignored McCain because he is a United States trade train wreck

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spacer Comment by Economists for Obama
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2008-02-10 23:38:15

We actually didn’t take any position on whether Obama or Clinton’s position was better. We just attempted to lay out the positions so people could make an informed choice. We certainly didn’t intend the word “protectionist” to be understood perjoratively.

Also, a correction to your post (and if you read our post, we discuss this): Obama didn’t “lobby for” the Peru agreement. Just as Clinton did, he announced that he supported it, and then didn’t show up to vote on it because he was on the campaign trail.

In my view, you’re making a mistake if you vote for Clinton because you’re hoping that she’s going to be more of a trade skeptic than Obama. She only announced her support for a “timeout” in December, when she was trying to get union endorsements, and after she supported the Peru agreement. Yes, she is now slightly to Obama’s left on the issue, but not long ago she was to his right.

spacer Comment by Bob Oak
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2008-02-11 01:04:08

Firstly the term “Protectionist” is a notorious anti strategic trade or trade in the US national interest attack. There is nothing “Protectionist” at all about for example, challenging China’s tariff schedule from the US national interest perspective or from the theory of free trade itself.

Secondly, if you note I found Obama lobbying for the Peru Trade deal, not just saying he would vote for it, from other sources (multiple) and used the Huffington post.

3rdly, Hillary is moving policy to be much more middle class focused, working America focused and if the unions caused this, good for them but the reality is she moved. Obama on the other hand is seemingly busy using a lot of rhetoric yet in actual policy has multiple areas that are clearly ineffective for the US national interest, middle class, as many economists are pointing out. Packing on UoC economic advisers, ignoring the predatory loan practises that happen to have prayed extensively on US diversity home buyers, indeed blaming those victims, is most assuredly not even comprehending what has happened with new “mortgage” vehicles, hedge funds or the trading of these mortages in markets. Obama seemingly also cannot recognize the law of supply and demand, fundamentals of domestic labor markets via labor economics theory of which immigration, illegal or legal is a major variable.

I’m sorry but more of the same is not change and that’s the entire point of the blogs, netroots is to give people voice to represent them.

We shall see if Hillary is lying but from the rhetoric versus actual policy, Obama is lying right now.

What I see going on here is some incredible oratory, mesmerizing the masses, and behind the scenes, policy that most assuredly will keep things status quo. Considering the US may be headed into a long protacted recession of it’s own making through all of these corporate driven policies, I do not believe that is something America can afford.

I also believe manipulating words such as change to actually mean the status quo is a Karl Rove technique.

spacer Comment by unlawflcombatnt
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2008-02-19 21:45:34

“Hillary is moving policy to be much more middle class focused, working America focused and if the unions caused this, good for them but the reality is SHE MOVED.”

That’s a crucially important point. It certainly does appear that she has moved. If anything, the rhetoric coming out of the Obama camp is becoming MORE pro-free trade than it was to start with.

“Obama on the other hand is seemingly busy using a lot of rhetoric yet in actual policy has multiple areas that are clearly ineffective for the US national interest, middle class, as many economists are pointing out. Packing on UoC economic advisers, ignoring the predatory loan practises that happen to have prayed extensively on US diversity home buyers, indeed blaming those victims, is most assuredly not even comprehending what has happened with new “mortgage” vehicles, hedge funds or the trading of these mortages in markets.”

Obama appears to understand little about anything outside of motivational speaking.

“Obama seemingly also cannot recognize the law of supply and demand, fundamentals of domestic labor markets via labor economics theory of which immigration, illegal or legal is a major variable.”

Obama’s lack of understanding of the laws of supply-and-demand when it comes to labor supply & immigration is a deal breaker.

He is completely unqualified to be President, vice President, or even a Senator. He’s nothing but a windbag, with all the substance of cotton candy.

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